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Poster: summerseve Date: Sep 12, 2004 12:20am
Forum: avgeeks Subject: Re: mpeg2 frame order

Unfortunately. two more to add to that list:
"If Mirrors Could Speak : Self-Image Film" and "Kitty Cleans Up"

This post was modified by trafalgar on 2004-09-12 07:20:49

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Poster: A/V Geek Skip Date: Sep 12, 2004 2:11am
Forum: avgeeks Subject: When reporting errors...

Thanks for the feedback, but I need to know a little more to see if there is some pattern to all of this:

1- the exact name of the file you are trying to view.
2- if you downloaded the file or if you are streaming the file

3- what are you using to view the file (Quicktime Player, Windows Media Player, VLAN, etc.)

4- what platform you are using (Mac, Windows, Linux, etc.)?

5- are you seeing these errors with other files you've downloaded from IA, from this section?

Skip

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Poster: summerseve Date: Sep 12, 2004 5:41am
Forum: avgeeks Subject: Re: When reporting errors...

1- the exact name of the file you are trying to view.

The above four titles, in all available formats (names following the usual conventions).

2- if you downloaded the file or if you are streaming the file

Both.

3- what are you using to view the file (Quicktime Player, Windows Media Player, VLAN, etc.)

For streaming, three different browsers with the same results, for downloads, QT Player, same deal. BUT I've just discovered that they will play in the MPlayer utility, which I keep on hand for the occasional hard-to-view download off P2P. Though it has a hard time doing it, and frequently goes blank.

4- what platform you are using (Mac, Windows, Linux, etc.)?

Mac, but don't hate me.


5- are you seeing these errors with other files you've downloaded from IA, from this section?

Never seen it before, and the rest of this section plays just fine.
thanks for your help, and kudos again.

p.s. I'll try and upload a screen shot for your pleasure.

Attachment: trafalgar-Picture2.jpg

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffJonathan Aizen Date: Sep 12, 2004 6:01am
Forum: avgeeks Subject: Re: When reporting errors...

From the image you posted it seems like you don't have the proper codec.

I'd suggest finding it, though I can't offer much assistance for the Mac, only the PC.

Jon

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffsimon c Date: Sep 12, 2004 6:07am
Forum: avgeeks Subject: Crash problems (was Re: When reporting errors...)

Not sure that's the case, Jon - when I try these movies with the latest version of Quicktime, using Windows 2000 and Mozilla 1.6b, it plays for a fraction of a second and then crashes Mozilla altogether. If I try loading it directly in Quicktime, it crashes the Quicktime Player.

I've never had an Archive movie actually crash Mozilla, that I can recall, and I've probably watched/checked hundreds. Anyone else have that happen:

http://www.archive.org/movies/details-db.php?collection=avgeeks&collectionid=soapy_the_germ_fighter

?

s!

This post was modified by simon c on 2004-09-12 13:07:33

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffJonathan Aizen Date: Sep 12, 2004 6:54am
Forum: avgeeks Subject: Re: Crash problems (was Re: When reporting errors...)

Hmm just downloaded the 64Kb MPEG4 into VLC and it worked nicely.

Haven't tried the streaming. Something must be pretty messed up in that file.

Jon

This post was modified by Jonathan Aizen on 2004-09-12 13:54:54

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Poster: FP Date: Sep 12, 2004 11:43am
Forum: avgeeks Subject: Re: Crash problems (was Re: When reporting errors...)

There's definitely something odd about the motion cadence of the MPEG2 file for LUNCHROOM MANNERS when played in Media Player. I tried it on 2 PCs. The file plays back at 23.967 fps, but the motion is stuttery, which usually indicates some difficulty with interlacing. I investigated further...

I loaded the file into VEGAS, and set the project's frame rate to match that of the file. In Vegas, it plays back okay as 24P.

So, this must mean that commonly-installed MPEG2 decoders can't properly handle these particular 23.376 fps files. The codec on this PC is Elecard MPEG2 Demultiplexer --> Ligos MPEG Audio Decoder.

Neither TMPGEnc nor VirtualDub would load the file at all, even though both programs normally load every variant of MPEG and AVI I throw at them.

This post was modified by FP on 2004-09-12 18:43:22

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Poster: Ryan Schweitzer Date: Nov 11, 2004 2:54pm
Forum: avgeeks Subject: Re: Crash problems (was Re: When reporting errors...)

Yes, I am also having the same exact quirks FP is having, but with using WinAmp, using the MPEG-2 CODEC from my installation of PowerDVD (I think). I haven't tried it in Vegas though....

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Poster: A/V Geek Skip Date: Sep 12, 2004 12:33pm
Forum: avgeeks Subject: Hmmm.... very odd.

Thanks for the information.

The 24fps is a different problem than the crashing we see with the streaming films.

The films I've posted come from different sources - some from my commercial DVDs, some from conversions I've done here. The problem films are from the commercial DVDs - but not every film from those DVDs is bad.

I'll do some more investigating.

Skip

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Poster: FP Date: Sep 12, 2004 9:12pm
Forum: avgeeks Subject: Re: Hmmm.... very odd.

The alcohol PSAs and MUNCHERS are interlaced 29.97 files. They play great. ALCOHOL DYNAMITE and SOAPY are 24P files. They're good in the 24P Vegas timeline, but they don't play well in Media Player with the codec I have installed. Different MPEG decoders may play the files okay in Media Player, I dunno.

The stubborn files are very useful for creative editing in 24P as they are - but for some reason I have to reduce my Vegas preview window to draft quality to see what I'm doing. Even VOBs from commercial high-quality DVDs don't do this, so I have no idea what's so different about the stubborn files here.

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Poster: Spuzz Date: Sep 12, 2004 6:47am
Forum: avgeeks Subject: Re: Crash problems (was Re: When reporting errors...)

Just so you know, I reviewed Soapy from DVD, since I've watched it countless times already. I just tried streaming it just now, and yes, exploder crashed on me.

Bill

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